Subjective synchrony in audio-visual timing perception is typically characterized by the point of subjective equality (PSE). It can be estimated from the 50% point in temporal order judgments (TOJ), or from the center of the synchronous response curve in a synchrony judgement (SJ) procedure. Using both TOJ and SJ procedures, we estimated PSEs for Newton's Cradle, showing a left-to-right pendulum movement. Three visual conditions were used: (1) the entire stimulus, (2) the left, or (3) the right half. In conditions 1 and 2, the visual movement appears to cause the collision, whereas in condition 3 the visual movement appears to result from the collision. Using an SJ procedure, conditions 1 and 2 yielded positive PSEs (i.e. audio delayed rela...