402. Lipton, Auslender, de la Vega discussion, 1961-12-07

Tape 402, side 1) Lawrence Lipton in discussion, 1961 December 7 (0:02), with Aurelio de la Vega (Cuban music professor and former Cuban cultural attaché) and Auslender? (a woman), on culture, stained glass, god, poets, Marshall McCluhen (philosopher), Kenneth Rexroth (writer), retreats, Reinhold Niebuhr (theologian), rebirth, ritual, art, history, Catholicism and answers, the church vs. music, totalitarian, the hell of seeking vs. the heaven of believing, anti-sexuality of the church, historicizing myths, reaction to paganism, anthropology, sexual perversity, hellishness in heresy, sacrifice and punishment, sadomasochism, Lipton reads an excerpt from Walter Shepherd's book A New Survey of Science (New York: Harcourt, Brace, 1950) on what constitutes the elephant, the creation of the universe as a continuing process, transcendent sacred sexuality. ❧ Tape 402, side 2) Lawrence Lipton in discussion (continued), 1961 December 7 (0:03), with Aurelio de la Vega and Auslender?, re impersonality of male (sun) vs. female (earth), Philip Rice's book Human Sexuality on orgasm, theosophy, Bahá'í, fall of man, exploitation of the farmer, heresy, guilt and punishment, myths, sexuality, politics, ritual, sense of belonging, tribal feeling, Christian mythos, conscription, fate of music in the Soviet Union, communism, corruption, Fidel Castro (Cuban prime minister), Cuban situation, Simón Bolívar (Colombian president), Fulgencio Batista (Cuban president), Bolshevic revolution, poetry, Lawrence Ferlinghetti (writer), Jean-Paul Sartre (philosopher), Allen Ginsberg (writer), exodus from Cuba of artists, the weakest state is best for the artist, India, Ashoka (Indian leader), the sacred and pure, post Judeo-Christion cultus, reconciliation to be outcast, the satanic, César Franck (composer), Paul Gauguin (artist), music with poetry, Maurice Ravel (composer). -- TIMES indicate where sections begin