To summarize and to abstract my response to Hart-Landsberg and Burkett's valuable work I have two interrelated problems. The first problem is how to assess the era of Mao, and this is related to the concerns of some that Hart-Landsberg and Burkett may be taking the problems of Chinese socialism before 1978 too lightly. Anyone who wants to be critical of the present Chinese system has to address two issues. The first is how to respond to the empirical evidence that, on the one hand, political movements in the era of Mao were cruel and brutal and the personal costs were too high, and, on the other hand, there appeared to be too much consumer scarcity at that time and that environment was no less sacrificed than in a capitalist society. The se...